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	<title>Comments on: FCC 5th principle must allow for reasonable discrimination</title>
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		<title>By: Dash</title>
		<link>http://www.digitalsociety.org/2009/09/fcc-5th-principle-must-allow-for-reasonable-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-3476</link>
		<dc:creator>Dash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While this sounds all well and good, you present no way here to make it possible. You&#039;ve presented policy without implementation. What mechanic do you propose to identify traffic? There&#039;s nothing in the IP or TCP protocols that can really be used to determined the needs of the application sending or receiving the packets, and you suggest that allowing the application to provide that information is too open to abuse.

How do you ensure that ISPs follow a specific prioritization scheme? You suggest that companies can be trusted, and that the general populace and its representative government can not. Companies typically serve their bottom line first, and their customers second, and only in the process of serving their bottom line.

I&#039;d suggest that you&#039;re looking at this entirely from an engineering perspective, without considering people or policy. Yes, what you suggest would probably be an optimal solution, if could could actually be implemented, and if anyone would voluntarily follow it, or could be forced to do so. But until those problems are solved, you can talk yourself blue in the face without getting anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this sounds all well and good, you present no way here to make it possible. You&#8217;ve presented policy without implementation. What mechanic do you propose to identify traffic? There&#8217;s nothing in the IP or TCP protocols that can really be used to determined the needs of the application sending or receiving the packets, and you suggest that allowing the application to provide that information is too open to abuse.</p>
<p>How do you ensure that ISPs follow a specific prioritization scheme? You suggest that companies can be trusted, and that the general populace and its representative government can not. Companies typically serve their bottom line first, and their customers second, and only in the process of serving their bottom line.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest that you&#8217;re looking at this entirely from an engineering perspective, without considering people or policy. Yes, what you suggest would probably be an optimal solution, if could could actually be implemented, and if anyone would voluntarily follow it, or could be forced to do so. But until those problems are solved, you can talk yourself blue in the face without getting anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What is true neutrality in the network?</title>
		<link>http://www.digitalsociety.org/2009/09/fcc-5th-principle-must-allow-for-reasonable-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-1768</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What is true neutrality in the network?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Knapp is right, there are apps with special requirements</title>
		<link>http://www.digitalsociety.org/2009/09/fcc-5th-principle-must-allow-for-reasonable-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-1506</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Knapp is right, there are apps with special requirements</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Analysis of BitTorrent uTP congestion avoidance</title>
		<link>http://www.digitalsociety.org/2009/09/fcc-5th-principle-must-allow-for-reasonable-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-1443</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Analysis of BitTorrent uTP congestion avoidance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Net Neutrality is the enemy of VoIP and gaming</title>
		<link>http://www.digitalsociety.org/2009/09/fcc-5th-principle-must-allow-for-reasonable-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-1428</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Net Neutrality is the enemy of VoIP and gaming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (although it is asking for public comments if this is right), but this is wrong because there is a universally fair way to prioritize applications by always giving low-bandwidth applications higher priority than high-bandwidth [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Live blog &#8211; The evolution of content on the Internet</title>
		<link>http://www.digitalsociety.org/2009/09/fcc-5th-principle-must-allow-for-reasonable-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-1410</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Live blog &#8211; The evolution of content on the Internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Smarter net with out-of-order delivery is friendly towards some apps, but hostile to other apps (George Ou &#8211; There is a universally fair way to prioritize) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GAO concludes 40% sick employees can cause severe congestion</title>
		<link>http://www.digitalsociety.org/2009/09/fcc-5th-principle-must-allow-for-reasonable-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-1393</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GAO concludes 40% sick employees can cause severe congestion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New harsher Net Neutrality rules endanger investments</title>
		<link>http://www.digitalsociety.org/2009/09/fcc-5th-principle-must-allow-for-reasonable-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-1312</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New harsher Net Neutrality rules endanger investments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Canada adopts light touch regulations on Net Neutrality</title>
		<link>http://www.digitalsociety.org/2009/09/fcc-5th-principle-must-allow-for-reasonable-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-1286</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Canada adopts light touch regulations on Net Neutrality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: George Ou</title>
		<link>http://www.digitalsociety.org/2009/09/fcc-5th-principle-must-allow-for-reasonable-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-1277</link>
		<dc:creator>George Ou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks David,

I would recommend this article to get a good idea of what Net Neutrality regulation does.
http://www.digitalsociety.org/2009/09/hr3458-a-dangerous-experiment-in-internet-regulation/

Yes you&#039;re correct.  Net Neutrality rules could allow aggressive applications to degrade low bandwidth applications.  That means some users would harm themselves and harm others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks David,</p>
<p>I would recommend this article to get a good idea of what Net Neutrality regulation does.<br />
<a href="http://www.digitalsociety.org/2009/09/hr3458-a-dangerous-experiment-in-internet-regulation/" rel="nofollow">http://www.digitalsociety.org/2009/09/hr3458-a-dangerous-experiment-in-internet-regulation/</a></p>
<p>Yes you&#8217;re correct.  Net Neutrality rules could allow aggressive applications to degrade low bandwidth applications.  That means some users would harm themselves and harm others.</p>
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